You must nourish your soul before food can nourish your body…

Spiritual Healing Words

– Mona Sharma in conversation with Shaman Durek from the Ancient Wisdom Today Podcast 24th August 2020


Shaman Durek: Human beings have been sharing stories for hundreds of thousands of years. And with those stories came the emotional, spiritual, and physical knowledge of the ancient shaman. 

Durek, a sixth generation Shaman and best-selling author of ‘Spirit Hacking’ bridges, the gap between science and spirituality and brings us back to our roots. He’s here to bring forth the ancient wisdom of our elders to help heal and bring happiness into our modern society. The time has come to end codependency and put the power back into people’s hands. Welcome to the tribe…


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Shaman Durek

Show begins…

Shaman Durek: Hello beautiful tribe! Life is so amazing and you’re in it. And I am super happy about that. Really happy about that. And if you’re new to the tribe, welcome because you belong here, you belong here, surrounded by your brothers and sisters who will lift you up and hold space for you to see your leadership in your power. In this world. We had a breaking time and evolution right now. We’re lifting veils and we’re shifting energy frequencies and moving away discord. And even though it may seem like those things aren’t happening, they are, this is a time of reconfirmation of the human spirit, a deliverance moment, and the grace of humanity. You see, there is this structure that was built a long time ago, that uses fear as a propeller or a momentum or even a threat to humanity to keep progress and to keep people following the rules and staying in what the system tells them to stay in or who to be, or how to act or how to think or what to believe about themselves.

Can you believe that someone telling you what to believe about yourself, someone actually having the audacity to tell you what to believe about yourself based upon uncertain actions or ideas that you formulate about yourself. They have a box, a rule, and a limitation waiting for you just by you thinking about who you are. When in fact there is no box, there is no rule. There is no label. There is nothing that defines you ever. It never can. The moment you do the moment you connect into something far worse and far degrading, because you see the degradation happens over time. It’s how you make your choices and why you make choices in life and how you tell people who you are and what you’ll do, what you won’t do – all governed by a system that’s created all of these rules and conditions to identify with, to put yourself into so that they can then classify you and manipulate you through that box.

The awareness of humanity is shifting so quickly and faster it shifts, the more they need to generate a form of chaos in order to keep you distracted from where you really should be, which is with you. When I say with you, I mean like really with you, like really identifying these structures of limitation and fear and labels and ways that you’ve identified yourself to the world, to your family, to your friends, to the people around you, so that you can feel loved and accepted because the whole idea of being loved and accepted is completely overruled by a system that tells you how you can be loved and accepted. And at what cost that means to you? What that means to you, in the sense of how much of yourself you have to deny, separate from, cut off, destroy, judge, ridicule, or just throw a complete blind eye to, because it’s not acceptable and it’s not okay.

One of the biggest groups right now that are suffering from this type of behavior is anyone who is not wanting to fit into that model. That very rigid model, you know, because the thing is, if we realize that the whole consciousness of humanity, right, has so many different arenas and thoughts and ideas of what that means that we continue to operate in this very depleted. We don’t recognize what’s happening because we are so busy wanting to get the accolades and the acknowledgement from people to say, it’s okay for us to be who we are. It’s going to be a very uncomfortable road through evolution, very, very, very uncomfortable. You know, right now, one of the groups that are suffering the most right now is the L a LGBT community and our LGBTQ plus community. However you want to interpret it. I just say soul sexual, which is basically what I am.

And basically what a lot of people are. They just don’t realize it. But basically whole sexual means that you don’t fit into a box about what love looks like. Love has many levels of, of involving the structure of life. That is much more based upon the freeness and the limitlessness of one’s human being. The moment we classify ourselves as something like some people would love to classify me as bisexual, because it makes it easier for people to understand me. So they’ll say, oh, he’s attracted to men and he’s attracted to women. So he’s bisexual because that’s what the system says. He is the system can’t define who I am. The system can’t decide what label to place upon me and that I have to accept because that’s what the system says. Or that’s what some Scholastic doctor has now referred to it as, or some psychologist, or just some know, you know, brain person who thinks they have the right to create labels and boxes and limitations for people based upon their identity.

I get to create that myself and so to you, but there are still people on our planet who attack people for being different. We have so many youth kids right now who are committing suicide, being thrown out of their homes and told they’re ugly and stupid and dumb and freaks and everything. And they’re not. And you know what, I’m sorry, I can’t stand listening to religious people. Tell people who are choose to be with the same sex that they’re broken, that they’re broken, but you’re okay because you believe in Jesus and you’re going to go to heaven. Newsflash. You don’t go to heaven because you believe in Jesus, you go to heaven because you learn to love unconditionally. Not because you believe in Jesus. Jesus is the way of, and they say, you know, Jesus said, I am the way. And only person who can come through heaven is through me. He didn’t mean through him in the sense that you actually and follow everything. He says, what he means is through him is through the love. The unconditional love that he held down on planet earth, Okay? Where he emulated that energy as a possibility in the face of tyranny, in the face of adversity, in the face of haters and enemies and people who wanted him killed, still being able to step in that place of unconditional love and say, the words of forgive them for they know not what they do. Well, you know what, it’s true. They don’t know what they do, but now there are people who do know what they do, and I’m not going to make excuses for them anymore. And I encourage you not to either, but it doesn’t mean we have to angry about the situation.

We have to get intelligently smart about the situation. We have to get creative and proactive in the sense of realizing that every time a human being is killed or hurt because of their sexual orientation or the color of their skin, or the way they choose to observe God or the way they dress, you know, the whole thing. Right. And we are okay with that. Or we don’t speak out about it using our resources, supporting volunteering, being there to support people and help them feel loved, help them understand how they can love themselves. You know, we have so much available gifts within us to turn this whole thing around, but it requires everyone to want to care about something more than themselves like, okay, yes. It’s important for you to have a relationship and know who you are. Absolutely. And take that time. That’s needed to truly nurture and identify yourself from a place of love, not from a label condition or box that your mom and dad told you to follow, or you weren’t going to get this or that, or you weren’t going to be loved and accepted.

If you are basing your identity on things that you thought were you. Cause that’s what you were put into because you didn’t want to be laughed at or judged or any of these things. That’s not you. If any part of your being it’s restraining, withholding or restricting you from being who you are, because you’re afraid of judgment are afraid of not being liked or afraid of being ridiculed or afraid of people hurting you or attacking you, or pretty much just ostracizing you and disconnecting from you and alienating you because of some aspect of your being that they themselves feel threatened by. And you’re doing everything you can to get them, to like you and accept you and approve of you and want you and choose to have you be a part of whatever social group or family that you’re in. That is going against creation.

The greatest sin against God is not the sin that people talk about in religion. The greatest sin against God is to sin against love. Because every time you do something to yourself or to another person, you’re literally sitting against God, because God created everything through love. So the greatest way to show your creator love is to love what creation created, but trees, the flowers, the birds, the honeybee is the everything right? And there’s some things like creepy crawly things. And I’m still learning to process in my being and being like, I love you unconditionally. And I am not going to kill you. I’m going to just take you out and throw you back into nature. But the thing is we have to get to a point where we are able to truly understand that you can’t live on a planet where you don’t feel safe to be you period.

Like it’s crazy. Like you can’t be who you want to be, because you’re afraid that someone’s going to judge you because life is based on experiments and experiences. Experiments is things that you venture into to experience. So that way you can have that be like, oh, I know what that feels like. Or, oh, I’ve had that experience. And I realized that that doesn’t really feel great to me at this point in my evolution doesn’t mean it’s going to always be that way or it could be, you know, you wanting to have an experience. And so you go to that experience for me, my life was always about doing things that I’ve never done or doing things that made me uncomfortable and leaning into the things that made me more uncomfortable. And I realized like that how much power I would get by confronting my belief systems that the world set up for me, ideas and structures that were placed upon me, you know, what they would call the taboos or the things that you don’t, you don’t do because you’re not supposed to because society says so, well, guess what?

I loved breaking those rules because when I broke them, I felt like gay, I’m breaking a really big rule or I’m getting away with something that someone said I can’t do. I’m actually taking back my power. And it feels really, really good. And not only that, but I’ve enjoyed those experiences. I enjoy my experiences, my experiences, and my experimentations that I’ve had, because I get to decide like what feels good and what doesn’t feel good. And if it feels good, I’m pretty much okay with it. The thing is I look at it from the state of where people can say, oh, well, this drugs feel good. Well, they did. And there was a time when I enjoyed them and they felt really, really good. But then there was a time where I realized I don’t need to be disorientated and I don’t need to be a NIBR rated to be able to have a good time and to function and have conversations with people at parties and events and different social gatherings that I choose to attend.

I also know that in the process of that, I don’t also need to get caught up in the part of me that feels like I have to do something because everyone else is doing it because that’s also not real. And that also doesn’t generate a real source of power and strength and who I am if I’m just doing it because everyone else is doing, everyone else is going to March everyone else. Who’s going to do this. Everyone else, everyone else, everyone else, anyone else, everyone else I’m like, remember in Sesame street where you had like the odd man that everyone was doing the same thing, and I’m the one doing something completely different. That’s more me. And secondly, I don’t have a problem with people’s affection and energy. Like people can up and hug me, hold me. And you want to give me a kiss on the cheek.

You want to give me a kiss? Of course, with the whole Corona virus, we’re not going to be kissing each other. But the point I’m making is I don’t have those types of fears. I don’t walk around them planet with a bunch of nos in my pocket, on my sleeves, on my shirt. I don’t walk her. I’m more of a yes person. A yes. And yes. And yeah. And sure. And yeah, I would love to go skydive, even though I’m afraid of Heights and yeah, I’ll do that. You know what? It sounds a little bit crazy to me, but I’ll do it. I’ll give it a shot and see what it’s like. Because to me, for me, this is my life and I get to enjoy my life, how I want to enjoy my life. And I’m not going to have some systems of matrix dictate to me how I get to enjoy my life.

And I would say for you, same, like even if your parents or your friends are, people are expecting you to be a certain way because of the fact that they themselves cannot handle change or can’t handle you doing things that they’re not doing. So it makes them feel threatened by your power or by your expression because of the fact that they themselves have put themselves in these little boxes and are scared to be judged as scared to be looked at any way different than the way they were told to be looked at from their parents and their parents’ parents, parents, and their parents’ parents and yada yada, yada, I think you got the point. The point I’m making is, is that my father, I remember him saying to me, we were driving in San Francisco in his Mercedes and it was, it’s a car next to us with two guys.

And one guy had his land and another guys like, you know, and my dad said, don’t look at them, they’re gay. I don’t want their, their gayness to rub off on you. What are you talking about, dad? How can and their gain is rub off on me just by you saying that to me has now made me curious about what is this thing called gay that you talk about and what is this thing that can rub off on me and can it rub off on me? Is it something real? I probably would say that if God put a tree of apples in front of me and was like everything in the garden, you can eat all the grass and you can eat all of the rough and you can have those nuts over there. And that can have all these different things, but you can’t, I cannot eat that delicious, juicy, yummy plump, apple.

That’s sitting on that tree that when you bite into it, oh my God. Do not eat that. Okay. I would have been with Eve and I would have ate that apple, especially if God was like that, apple would allow you to see everything that I see and more I’m like, yeah, that’s a no-brainer, it’s almost like you’re saying to me, eat the apple for as like I gave you all the hints. I didn’t tell you anything else in the forest or anything else on the land was this juicy, yummy, delicious, like all enhancing life enhancing gives you the powers beyond powers. It gives you the ability to see what I see. Don’t eat that really. But you can eat that dry grass and you can eat all those dry herbs and all those different things and all that’s available to you. But don’t eat that tree with the apples that has that glowing beam of golden light on it.

That, with that, like with like angels dancing around it and smiling and laughing and you know, don’t eat that don’t even go near it. Like don’t even look at it. Like, don’t look at it. Well, you know what? I would have ate the apple. I would have been sitting there with Eve eating that apple, being like, oh my God, this is amazing. This is the best thing ever. And you wonder why women get to bring life into the world? Because they ate the apple. They knew what was up and they get to bring life because they earned it. They earned the ability to utilize their vessel, to bring life not because of what the Bible says, where they were punished to suffer pain and toil upon the earth. And now they were given the greatest gift ever, which is to bring life. I don’t get to bring life in my body.

I don’t get to have a seed go in my body and form a baby that a life form with a soul and its own intelligence and everything. And that my body is the, it gets to be the body that it grows through and eats from and learns from and builds its epigenetics from and all these different things. Like I don’t get that. So, you know, hey, I would have eaten the apple truly. So the thing is, is, you know, I’m not going to be like, oh, I wouldn’t eat the apple. My God, I’m such a sinner. No, I’d eat the apple. I probably eat the whole tree. I’d be like one apple is not enough. So the point I’m making is, is that I’m not here to follow people’s roles and you get to decide every single day, what rules you choose to follow and why, and why are you listening to what people are telling you about yourself and how they’re telling you who you are and what you could achieve and what you can be in all these different things.

You know, there’s so many people in the world who need to hear that they’re okay being them and that their choice of having purple hair are dressing up as, as a woman from a man or a man being with a man or a woman being with a man or a woman and a man and a man being together or whatever it is that you want to do, whatever floats your fancy. Okay. And if you want to wear a suit or if you want to wear baggy jeans, if you want to addresses, if you want to, whatever you feel represents your expression from within how you want to express yourself in this world, you should be able to do so without insult or threat. And that’s the world that I spend my time focusing my energy on and shifting and lifting so that there is a one day way after I’m gone.

You know, that someone will get to live on this planet and be loved and accepted for being different and unique and be acknowledged for their uniqueness and the power that your, their uniqueness brings and how them being unique, allows them to have a different perception of life, which allows them to see blind spots that other people don’t see and gives them clarity and information of things that they’re picking up on because of the perception in which they’re holding on to that it created their uniqueness to begin with. So why wouldn’t I want to be supporting that? Why would I would not want to hold that for every human being on the planet? I’m not saying that everyone has to be sole sexual. I’m not here to tell you what to be, and I’m not here to tell you how to be. What I’m simply saying is it would be nice if we actually get a choice and that children get a choice to decide who they are without our need, to put our input and our fears and our phobias and our rules and our regulations and our, everything that has been the matrix has been feeding us since day one, to keep us from being different and unique, because different in unique is powerful.

And if you look at some of the top celebs and musicians and people out there, the reason why they are who they are is because they don’t follow the rules, they break them, they eliminate them. They, they aluminate them. Two people can see how ridiculous it is. And they even create their own ideas of things, their own experiences. Like when I wrote the book spirit hacking people are like, what does lit being? What is a lit train? What is this? And what is that? I remember my publishers asking me those questions and I laughed and I chuckled a nice big party chuckle. And they said, what’s so funny. I said, it’s so funny is that human beings can only be comfortable with the words that were given to them by a system that wants to enslave them. I choose to create my own words because I will create words that will be transmitted all over the planet.

Why? Because it’s time to create a new lexicon that supports new ways for the mind to think if you were to hold on to the same words that were said by your ancient ancestors and use them to describe things and to understand things and to feel things you’re going to see the same lens. You’re going to feel it through the same energy that they felt it through. There’s nothing new, nothing gained. It’s the same, same I’ve heard. I know. You’ve heard me say that before the same, same is lame, lame, right? And so why not open our horizons up to all of these things? That’s the reason why I choose to be sold sexual, not because of the fact that I feel like I have to fit into something or whatever. It’s because I enjoy everything that opens me up to new ways of feeling, thinking and perceiving the world.

Now doesn’t mean it has to be you, but it definitely works for me. And when I think about who I am in life and who I’m dating and who I’m with, I’m always very open with them by saying, look, I’m not just this one being that you got to meet, who’s going to have like this nine to five job, that’s going to do the same thing that everyone else is doing. I may one day run naked on the beach. Next day, you might see me jumping out of an airplane. I might be swimming with sharks, or I might even just be sitting under a tree meditating or dancing in the morning around the bed and singing Disney songs. One day, the rum walls might have all kinds of poetry written all over it. And I might destroy the furniture because I might decide to start painting at different colors.

You never know what you’re going to get with me. Literally, I am the box of chocolates from Forest Gump that says, you never know what you’re going to get. And that is how I choose to live my life. And you never know how it’s going to happen when it’s going to happen. I’m a very spontaneous energy source that is not about being held down or put into any type of limitations or any type of programs or any type of ideas or agendas. It won’t work for me. And the moment you try to change me to fit into what you feel comfortable and acceptable is the moment our relationship will come and I’m done. It’s the moment I will walk away from your friendship. It’s the moment that you will no longer be rolling with me because you can only roll with me when you understand that I am like the wind.

I am not able to be put into a box. You can never find a box. You can never construct the box. That will fit me on any level. It’d be a waste of time. And in fact, I would see that you’re trying to do that because your own insecurities of your own box that you put yourself in. And I would be like exit stage left and be done and be gone because freedom to me and liberation is the most important thing that I’ve come here to teach the world. And that’s not going to happen by following the rules. So I encourage you to live your truth as you see it, not because your mom and daddy told you not because television told you not because your friends at school told you not because some billboard told you not because of magazine told you, because you actually feel it in your being. And if you want to experience and experiment, go ahead, live your life to the fullest. So by the time that your life, If it’s over, you can really say I lived it. I loved it. And I had best life ever. Dad is a lit life. They lived a lit life. I lived a lit life. So go for it. I love you.


The tribe wants to hear from you. And I know a lot of you are talented out there and music and poetry and recipes and ideas, and just, you know, things that you want to share with the tribe. You can send that information to info at shaman, and share your gifts with the tribe. Love you all in the stay. All at this week’s tribal share features, Vanessa Hutchings, with a poem from the new book, a world like mine. You can find her on Instagram at rainbow mermaid girl @ Rainbowmermaidgirl .

This is Vanessa Hutchings and I am reciting one of my poems called “Purpose, purpose something”. I struggled to find a goal, a passion, 11, my mind, something lasting, something meaningful that will make me aligned with my truest self refined. Shouldn’t it be easy to be the person I’m meant to be, to see past the diversions and to set myself free, to unleash the expectations. Others hold on me to get real with myself past all in authenticity. What do I truly want a question that I used as my guide to make my life wholesome, true self identified. What about when I cannot tell that what I think I want came from a spell influences covering my true desire. A notice till disease has spread like fire time has been devoted. That can’t be restored, but when you know something is wrong, more time you can not afford. So again, you are start hoping this time will be different. A new hook, hobby, home, or friend, the possibilities are infinite. Trust your intuition. Let it be your guide and living through fearless. Love your purpose. You will find thank you.


Time to hear from our special guest:

And welcome to ancient wisdom today podcast. And if anyone hasn’t told you today, how loved you are, let me be the first to tell you, I love you. I love everything that you are, and I’m happy that you’re on this planet and you’re honoring who you are. And every day you honor who you are and you show up for yourself. You show up for all of us. And that’s a beautiful thing because we need you right now, more so than ever. And we need you to be in your lit-ness and in your power and in your leadership. And recognizing that there’s no one like you in the world. So you’ve got things to say, and you have things to share, and we are open and holding space for you to show up in that space of love. So I am super happy to have in today’s share Mona Sharma. Now, Mona Sharma is a powerful woman who is leading and bringing that level of quality and direction.

When it comes to health and wellness in the industry today, not only just because of the fact that she’s all about realness and, and that’s really important when you’re dealing in our world today, because there’s so many people out there who are claiming to know like what’s right for you, and what’s best for you. And you know, for her, she’s a celebrity nutritionist and a wellness educator, and an even in the idea of knowing that it is the beauty and the essence of having a woman who is strong in who she is bringing forth knowledge and wisdom to help us, up-level our health, our mind, and our body together. Thank you. And welcome Mona Sharma to today’s share.

Mona Sharma: Hello. My hands are over my heart. Thank you so much.

Shaman Durek: Oh, it’s a pleasure. Thank you for being on the planet. I am so honored that you are here and that you’ve shown up and you are living you so that it helps us to be able to benefit from everything that you bring on a greater level. So I just want to thank you really.

Mona Sharma:  I could say the same about you. Thank you for this platform.

Shaman Durek: So you are inspiring health, the health journey right now, to put the understanding of holistic healing into the minds of people as an everyday lifestyle choice. What do you feel has been some of the things that you’ve noticed that has been taking people away from that, and how do you bring people back into that in an authentic and organic way?

Mona Sharma: Yeah. This is a great question, because I think when people hear that I am a nutritionist, ultimately they think that it’s all around food and I can honestly say that food is really the platform to open up whatever these imbalances are. And I call it noise. You know, when I speak to people about the symptoms that they’re experiencing, whether it’s anxiety, worry, tension, bloating, gas, irritability, heartburn, waking, and low sex drive insecurity, you know, hands usually in the audience go up and, you know, from an Ayurvedic perspective, we call this accumulation from not feeling nourished accumulation of too many, you know, things in your lifestyle that aren’t fulfilling to you. And ultimately you’re just not paying attention to the symptoms, right? So if any of these symptoms have resonated with anyone listening, ultimately you have to ask yourself, are you ignoring these symptoms? They’re whispers. Our bodies are these magical things that are communicating with us all the time, but we don’t necessarily listen to those whispers over time. Those whispers, they turn into screams as they did for me. That’s what, you know, it was probably my gift now, but which aligns me with this work. And ultimately that led to addressing that each cannot heal a body that you don’t love. Right? You have to pay attention to what needs nourishment instead of this, of what needs fixing. And so to answer your question, I think that there’s a lot of distraction that’s happening. And so in this time, especially with this, you know, pandemic, we’ve all been called to tune in right tune in, what is the noise that’s been happening? What’s really important. What are the priorities we’ve been called into our homes and truly our houses are our bodies, right? This is our home. So what is your home telling you to do? We get one home, one body for this live? What is it asking from us? You pay attention to that.

Shaman Durek: You know, and you know, I, I love how you speak on it so eloquently, because I think it’s really poetic and real and authentic because it’s not like you’re just, you know, you just went to school and became this person. You’ve had your own trials and tribulations in the process of that awakening. Can you tell us more about that and what happened and how did you come into this space of this real true service?

Mona Sharma:  Yeah, so it was really interesting. So I have to take you back a little further so that you really understand the scope. So my father is Indian he’s East Indian. My mother is Danish. I’ve only ever known my mom to suffer from debilitating auto-immune disease. So rheumatoid arthritis, but with my father’s insight, growing up around Ayurveda, this science of healing, the body. He would take us to live at an Astron. So I shrine living basically, it’s a spiritual center where you focus on the healing power of food movement, mindfulness. And I can honestly say that our summers living at these spiritual retreats was where I saw the power of mindfulness to heal the body. But the interesting thing is that I threw this all at the window growing up. So, you know, waking up at five o’clock to meditate with your father is not necessarily enjoyable as a teenager.

So who knows if I was rebelling or whatever it was, it just was not interesting to me. So yeah, I did. I took it for granted. So, you know, I went out there. I fast-tracked everything from high school university, I got a full-time corporate job and typical scenario. I ended up working for a handful of luxury beauty companies and on paper, it sounded amazing. I had a high paying job. I was able to travel the world, work with celebrities and fashion shows and everything. But the truth of the matter is it was a corporate gig. I was waking up in cities, not knowing where I was. I was 40 pounds heavier. I suffered from debilitating anxiety, sadness, unfulfillment. My thyroid was completely out of whack. My digestion was down the tube and this led me to having two heart surgeries. And this surprises people knowing about how I grew up, it wasn’t open-heart surgery.

It was an electrical issue. So, you know, I would bend down to pick up something on the ground and my heart would just start pounding out of nowhere. And of course, I went to the doctor and they said, well, you’ve got atrial tachycardia. Let’s get you in for surgery and the typical mindset. We want things fast, right? I was looking for the, what pill can I take? What surgery can I have to make this go away? Right. So I had the first surgery and I woke up the next morning in the hospital and the palpitations started again, the surgery didn’t work. So I went on the pill. What pill is going to make this better? How can I just avoid having to deal with this? What’s going to make it go away? And so I went down this path for quite a while, until they said, you know what?

Let’s try another surgery. We went in for surgery and I’ll never forget it. A couple of hours. I could see my heart on a massive monitor, wires going everywhere because you have to stay awake for the whole procedure. They inject you with all of these drugs to induce you with palpitations. And the doctor asked me why I was crying. I was like, I can see my heart on a screen. I’m scared, I’m sad. I don’t know what’s happening. This is not supposed to be my life. This is a pretty big wake up call for me. But in that moment, I recognized how out of alignment I was. I wasn’t nourished. I wasn’t happy I was living with these symptoms. And I was identifying it with that because you know what? Even today with my clients, you know, people would rather go to the doctor to get a diagnosis than actually deal with the root cause of imbalance.

And for me, this imbalance has started from when I was a little girl. I was sad. I didn’t grow up in the most happy household. And over time, it just accumulated to the point where it manifested in my body. And unfortunately, or fortunately for me, it had to go, you know, to be pretty drastic. But this is what calls me to throw in the towel, quit the corporate gig. And I went back to the Astrodome this time in The Bahamas. And I lived there for two months. I went back to my roots and they shut down the noise. And well, I know that escaping to the ashram isn’t really possible for everybody. Here’s what I can tell you about Ashram living. Ashram living really is about showing yourself fierce compassion and kindness. I don’t really think it’s ever been about finding yourself. It’s about peeling back the layers of imbalance that you’ve added over the years that are blocking your true light from shining out to the world. And the reason why the schedule was so strict, as I mentioned before, you know, between waking up and meditating and chanting and breath-work and yoga and eating healthy food and the cycle every single day, that drives you crazy. What that does is it focuses on, you know, shutting down the noise that exists in your mind routine is something that allows you to kind of really stay the path. It doesn’t allow your mind to go haywire. And so this is exactly what it did to me. So instead of trying to escape, because you don’t have to do that, what had these pillars, can you bring into your life? I say, bring me into the city. I ultimately believe that if we use food as medicine, the movement is the therapy part. And of course, mindfulness, it’s mindfulness, truly. That brings us back to the path whenever we’re out of balance, 

Shaman Durek: You know, it’s beautiful what you’re talking about, because, and did you, did you have, when you were in the Ashram yeah. Cause you know, as you were talking, I could, I could feel the energies that still emanates from your being of your experience in the Ashram. Because once you go into an Ashram and you create anew, you go into Seva and you go into realizing a lot of times, people think they’re actually fighting this up and what they’re really finding themselves is the path to true, to bullshit. And, you know, and at that point is where you actually can see not just yourself, but you can see everyone. And I, you know, I’ve sent a lot of, you know, people who have come to me and I’m like, you know what? You don’t need to see me. You need to see yourself. And, and literally what I love about what you’re talking about, because if we go back to your experiences, you know, what came up for me when you were speaking was your mother. And it was this, it was this energy of being in the womb when your mother was operating in her behaviors and the consciousness of the withholding and the suppression and the energy of, you know, sustaining, which is then creating that within your, you know, your blood flow in your heart and the way that your pulmonary valve and the way that your, your electrical system is being built and being formed. And then you go into modeling and I was looking at that, and then you go into that world and I’ve been in that, cause I took a break from shamanism in my twenties. I got picked up for a model as a model at once in New York and did all the shows in Paris and New York.

Mona Sharma:  I was with Karen models. And I can tell you, it was a very vacuous experience for me on some levels. I love the beauty and the arts and, you know, meeting amazing people, but starving myself to fit into the clothes, eating really bad food because I’m starving for so long. And then we go on this smorgasbord of eating and then we feel bad about it because we want to get skinny so we can make money and get work again. And then, you know, and then going to the parties and, you know, it was just, it’s a lot. And so I really love this really beautiful transition from birth to like your experience through life, holding that energy for your family, and then going into your experience of that world. And then coming out of that from devotion and Seva, and really coming into true devotion and recognizing the greater you as the greater, all right. And the greater all is the greater you. And then stepping into who you are today. It’s like, oh my God, it is so beautiful that you picked up on this. My father has always said to me that the vibration of the ashram never left me because my mom was actually there when I was pregnant.

So that was her journey of, you know, turning into selfless love and service to herself. I think that it’s a continuing practice for her today. And you know, like you, I got lost from this, but I, that ultimately what I work with people on is this vibration. You know, what, if we throw diets at the window and start focusing on vibration instead, and I say, I really like, yeah, I think that what I, you know, no, I know that my power comes from helping people raise their vibration by changing their thoughts and their feelings that take them out of balance and feeling good. You know, vibration is a state that’s connected to happiness and joy.

When you’re in this state, you naturally do things that are good for you. You know, most of my clients, they wake up in a state of anxiety, worry, tension, and fear in this state. We can’t heal. You know, you have to feel nourished before food can nourish you, right? And the more constantly, you know, this, when you live in these lower denser vibrations, this energy, the heavier that your problems seem, and if this is your language, then this is who you become. So I think that if you are able to shift your perspective and go back to what’s in the same, like how can you nourish yourself? What would, what would have happened if you were taught how to love yourself, this idea of Seva, you know, selfless service to yourself and to others, but you have to serve yourself so that you can serve others. I had to be at the ashram to heal myself before I could serve others. Now my fuel, my fire, my drive comes from the essence of “let me be of service to as many people as humanly possible on this planet”, because that is my, that’s my birthright to help others step into their joy and their happiness. That’s where my healing has come from.

Shaman Durek: The way you speak life into words. And the reason why I say that is because shamanically, the consciousness of evolution is governed by the words and the codes in which they speak. And those words can coat then define the world in which they perceive. And then what they perceive is what they actually allow. And then what they allow is what, how they interact with their reality. And, and so it’s, it’s, what’s so fascinating. And what you said is that you’re actually speaking the things that I learned and from my tribal lineage and my family and shamanism, is that what you just said was so beautiful. It’s exactly that, it’s your words. It’s what, how you’re choosing your words are defining, you know, these experiences and you can make them, these vibrations are following these allocutions of notes that you are, that you are bringing your consciousness and through your words that you speak into the world, and that’s, what’s creating what you’re experiencing, because they’re matching those vibrations.

And I love what you said about the, you know, being, being healthy before you eat healthy. And it’s our being in that, that’s such a, that is such a paradigm shift for a lot of people. So that’s why I wanted to draw on it, because what you are literally showing people in saying that, and what I see from the shamanic perspective is that in order for them to understand what food really is, they have to understand what is going, who they really are and what is inside of them. That the food is just the frequency of energy that matches the frequency of energy from within. And so if they’re eating junk food, that’s because there’s junk from within. And if they’re eating healthy food, it’s because they’re, they’re matching that. And I just don’t want to say like, yes, yes. Like a big way. Like, you’re amazing. So let me ask you this. Okay. So what we’re dealing with, like pregnant women, right? Who are coming into, you know, they just, you know, they just, you know, conceived and, you know, they’re in this state of their body going through changes because the embryos building inside of them. And so for us, what are the things that you recommend for them, for wholism; not just for themselves, but also for their whole experience of this death rebirth cycle that they’re about to walk into.

Mona Sharma:  All right. So I have two kids, a two year old and a five-year-old and my son, my five-year-old, he killed my heart. My daughter gave me my power back. So although it’s tempting to get caught in all of the things that you should be doing, and shouldn’t be doing, should this be happening in the worries? And the fears that come up with pregnancy is to look for the, the lesson, you know, get connected to the spirit and going back to that word vibration, how can you harmonize with your baby? You know, take a closer look and the feeling behind all of it, you know, outside of the nausea and all of the physical symptoms that come up, what’s the beauty that you can find in the experience and the lesson you, you reuniting with this soul spirit inside of you is, you know, I really believe that your children choose you, you know, begin this relationship when they’re in utero.

Shaman Durek: That lesson start there? Is there something that you need to learn for you to show it more fully every single day, and for you to tear back all of those layers of imbalance for you? You know, I am really attracted to the biological and the physiological of our emotions and really how stress plays out on the body. And, you know, yes, this has to do with your lifestyle and your dosha, and this changes as you’re, as you’re pregnant, but your body is going to respond to your thoughts, right? I think that, you know, with our bodies being these miracles, my God, if you can birth a human, you are a miracle. It’s always trying to heal itself. But as an intelligent human, we have to listen and you have to nourish your mind and your body and your spirit. First it’s like these three Trados shake, things that have to be in harmony. And this is really the beauty of our beta. Another way that you can think about it at the sounds a little bit too out there is I speak about the three hearts, the heart that is in your brain, the one that drives your thoughts and your actions, your physical heart, that drives your feelings and what you do every day and the heart that lives in your gut, your gut instincts, your intuition, that the thing that drives everything every single day. When one of these hearts becomes out of balance, you know, something’s lost.

We tend to become lost in our journey. And the journey of pregnancy itself goes by so quickly, we miss out on a lot of gifts that it has to offer. So I would say, you know, use mindfulness and use meditation. And by the way, like meditation, your practice can look different from somebody else. You are here with your own unique constitution, your practice, your diets, your food, your protocols, everything for you should be unique. So make it what serves you best, you decide, but every single day make you a priority honor, your spirit and the spirit within you. And I promise you, your journey will change. It will come and experience. That’s going to fuel perhaps even ignite your soul purpose.

And, you know, the, one of the things that I find a lot too, and a lot of the, a lot of the tribal members who listen, a lot of them all are biohackers and doctors and wall street, business CEOs, and actors and actresses. And they live this very fast paced life. You know, I mean, I know for myself when I’m not in this whole quarantine situation, I’m always jet-setting all over the place. And I know a lot of the people who come to see me who are like wall street execs, they run in and they’re like, okay. I have like, I’ve got like, you know, an hour right now. Cause I have to go into a big meeting and you know, and all these different things. And I tend to find a lot of my friends in that world, including a lot of the people who are listening right now who do not, who will starve themselves. They will literally skip their meals and keep themselves going because they feel energetic when they don’t eat. You know, do you feel like that is, you know, the right thing, or should I say the balanced balancing to do, what are your thoughts on that? My love In terms of how to run their bodies, you know, how to…

Yeah. So like, so basically what happens is, I, you know, I get these CEO powerhouses, like, you know, these actresses and actors who are working on film sets, they’re doing this. They’re, you know, they’re, they’re working in Wall Street. They skip lunch, they skip breakfast. They just keep going because they have so much energy. They have so much to get done. They don’t make time to eat. Is that, is that something that you recommend or do you do, what are your thoughts on that? 

Mona Sharma:  Yeah, again, I think it depends on your constitution. I know that for, you know, let’s just take, for example, one of the biggest trends in LA right now, which is intermittent fasting, right? Intermittent fasting can be highly beneficial for some constitutions, but for others, specifically, women, it can be detrimental to their endocrine system, their hormones. So it could feel good for a little while, but over time you have to tune into what imbalances or symptoms that are coming up for you. And here’s the thing, you know, we think about just energy and this is one part of it, right? When we think about honoring our system, we have to look at food as an ornament, we have to look at pleasure. We have to look up fine. We have to look at community. We have to look at sleep. We have to look at creativity, fulfillment, you know, stress as well so what other pillars are playing a role in your life? If you are high on life and like really high on life, and this is the energy that keeps you going then. Yeah. We know today we do not need to consume the amount of calories that we think we’re supposed to be. Right? Some constitutions do best. If we were to go back to our ancestors who were not eating breakfast, lunch and dinner specifically, not breakfast, snack lunch, snack, dinner, maybe another snack. This is a burden on our body. Right? So to answer the question, I think that what fuels your fire, if you’re high on life, and there are no obstacles within you, no blockages within you, then do what fuels you. But the reality of the situation is that we are living in a society. We’re in a state of hyper wellness. I mean, everybody knows what to eat. 

There are so many diets that there’s so much advice. The internet right now is so loud with advice and tips and tools and everything. And yet anxiety-related disorders are on the rise. Diseases are on the rise, different types of cancer, autoimmune conditions are on the rise. Well, why is that? We have to pay attention to the spiritual features, the mental imbalances, the fulfillment that we have in order to live a life of greatness. Right. And avoid striving for perfection. You know, I have one client who, you know, likes bragging, right. I’ve fasted for 18 hours. I did it 18 hours, three days straight, like, okay, well, but did that really make you feel bad? Did he feel like you had fuel? Did he feel empowered? Did he feel ignited? And they didn’t, but they did it because they thought that they must be doing something good for themselves.

Well, who told you that the internet, or did your spirit, you know, for me, it took looking at how my ancestors ate. So it’s interesting with me growing up is that half of my side, you know, my Danish side was meat and potatoes. My father’s side was this, you know, Indian, vegetarian style of food. Well, when I went strictly into this, you know, acting style of diet, which was more heavy on the meat side and fats and stuff like that, that’s when I was at my sickest, right? When I honored my roots and ate foods that were nourishing and easier to digest full of spices and stuff like that, that’s where I felt honored. So to answer, you know, really, I think that what you do is going to change based on the demands in your life at that time. But stop trying to look for a system because I promise you that system is probably going to change.

Shaman Durek: Yeah. You know, for me, I’m an Omad. So I eat one a day and I used to eat three meals, but it would make me super heavy. And I noticed that when I eat anything past four o’clock, I feel miserable. So I started to eat my food around the afternoon time, and I feel fully energetic all the way into night-time, do my rituals to get ready for sleep. And it’s interesting because a lot of people will say, oh, I want to go on the Omad, and it’s like, you know, I keep getting this message that comes from spirit. It’s not for everyone. And I’m so glad you spoke on that because I feel like what happens today is that we have all these trends and all these things being thrown at us from television to billboards, to what celebrities are doing this. And who’s taking this and who’s drinking that. And I, you know, I really liked the idea of people finding their own autonomy, their own way outside of all of what they’re told to do or what they’re supposed to do as according to this person or this thing that’s showing up on this new channel or whatever it may be to really being able to kind of cultivate that for themselves.

Mona Sharma: Beautiful. How long did it take you to figure out that that was right for your constitution? It took a while you obviously went, it took a while. Yeah. And I think that if you’re tuning into what’s right for you consider the basics, right? Like food is information. Everything that you consume has the power to fuel health or fuel disease imbalance. So the food choices are essential. If you’re eating high vibration food, colorful, colorful food, give your body the nourishment, but then fine tune it. When do you feel best? Do you feel like you can thrive after eating a meal or do you feel lethargic? And like you have to take a nap? My system is more of my food in the morning. You know, I break my fast within one hour of waking up. I consume most of my calories before, before, before noon, every day. And then my dinners are lighter, but I noticed that if I’m avoiding dinner, then my sleep is impacted. And it fuels my feelings of anxiety, which is kind of like my blueprint growing up. Right. So look out for the habits that were instilled within you as a child growing up versus the habits that are going to fuel the person that you want to become and what you want to achieve. There’s a very big difference and I expect that this is going to evolve. Or medically speaking, we change our diet with the seasons. Your body’s always literally changing as we speak right in this moment. So except an honor that it could shift every single week, but honor, what feels good in that time and lose the judgment. Because I think, especially for women, we have this judgment around, shouldn’t have done that. Shouldn’t have eaten that. Why did I do it? And the guilt that we carry around this food, it’s almost like the guilt is worse. It is worse than actually eating the piece of, you know, cake or chocolate, whatever. Just enjoy it. If it feels right.

Shaman Durek: Well, are they really eating the food or eating the guilt is the question, is it this? You know what I mean? It’s like, what’s in, what is the, what’s the real thing that’s being eaten.

Mona Sharma: He’s got it. The intuitive eating behind this, you know, there’s intuition, you can awaken this within your body by turning it on. 

Shaman Durek: Yeah. It’s, you know, it’s so beautiful the way that you perceive life. I just want to acknowledge that because you really see life in this very, how do I say it’s like, it’s like, you’re living in two separate bodies and you know, it’s, it’s really beautiful. It’s like these two separate bodies are observing one angle and the other one’s observing the other angle. And so when you’re, when you’re communicating, you’re communicating both from the perspective of what human beings are observing and their normal life. And then you’re communicating from what’s going on behind the scenes. And I think that’s a really beautiful juxtaposition to be in when it comes to what you do and who you are, because cause a lot of times, you know, people will go into things and not really understand like who these people are, what they’re experiencing in their life, what the world looks like today and how it’s, you know, how it’s operating, but then not have the spiritual context or that, you know, emotional intelligence or the well, the mental observance to be able to see how these two sides and how they interacting with each other and what’s really causing the problem for people. And you know, I know that you use a lot of things like NLP and all of these. Can you talk about that, that other aspect of how you bring about this knowledge, because it’s really beautiful and powerful. 

Mona Sharma: Thank you. Yeah. So over the past decade, you know, I would say when I first started, I was very much all about finding the diet. What’s the right diet for this constitution and that way? And I realized I wasn’t working and I was able to start working with a lot of professional athletes and CEOs right away. And here, these people were with, you know, the trainers, the acupuncturists, the personal chefs, you name it. And yet they still weren’t waking up happy or with ease every day. And that will, what is that about? Like you have everything, you’ve got the diet, we understand your biology, what isn’t working. And a lot of it has to come down to these limiting ideas or beliefs. And NLP became a really big turn on for me because it allows you to assess your personal belief system. What are the thoughts that you’ve had since you were a child that may or may not have been fueling your thoughts that might continue to sabotage you?

Here’s a really simple example. I’ll give you one, that’s a bit more extreme. So for me, in the way that I was trained to eat, both of my parents were immigrants. So we had to eat every single morsel of food on our plate every single night, even if I wasn’t hungry, I still had to finish every morsel on my plate. So I guess what I do as an adult, I eat every single morsel of food on my plate in a more extreme scenario. I have clients who will, you know, look at food as good or as bad, or I can’t eat that. That’s gonna make me fat or that is gonna make me sick or I’ll have to go. And you know, it’s just not going to honor who they are. And these belief systems run very deep and they affect who we are. 

And the whole point around food. Again, going to this idea of ancestral eating, we would have been eating in community. We would have been eating food that was blessed food that was designed to nourish us, give us energy. Food is information to keep us alive. And yet we look at it as this tool. And this goes for everything on the checklist, right? I have to meditate today. I have to exercise today. I have to do all these things on my checklist. And the messaging with NRP is really to stop treating these things like a checklist and start honoring who you are, your spirit and your constitution recognize where these patterns might have been instilled and decide that you can break free from them every single day with my clients. I say that every single day is an opportunity to reset. There are peaks and there are valleys. You don’t arrive one day until this day, I’m still working on what’s best for my constitution. You know, dealing with hormonal changes. I think that life is always going to continue to evolve as a journey that it is. But the difference is that, you know, the slogan, you can embrace the journey or you can fight it along the way. And NLP is an amazing tool to really address what those limiting beliefs are. That could be standing in your way from enjoying this one vessel that we have this one body and this one life, this lifetime anyway.

Shaman Durek:  Absolutely. I mean, that’s what I feel like when I said you have two things that like the one part that’s like, okay, yes, I’m the nutritionist and I’m telling you what to eat, but the other side is like, yes, I’m also the spiritual nutritionist. I’m telling you what to eat in your soul. And you know what nourishment to take in. And it’s really profound the way you speak, I’m really in awe of your, of your, of your language. So, so, you know, we have, we have women who are going through certain changes in their life. You know, we talk about, you know, going into menopause and stepping into that, that change within your hormonal system and, and how your body is operating. And when people are going through that, it can become a very scary process of, you know, going into that, into that shift in your body, with all the hot flashes and you know, all the things that people who are going through that feel, what do you recommend for them to assist them in this transition for their hormones and how they’re operating in their system? 

Mona Sharma: Oh, this is powerful. So, you know, the first thing that we want to do is find the doctor, find the pill, find the diet, find the right protocol. And I would say that before you do that first acknowledge the fact that you are not meant to suffer right with these imbalances. We’re not meant to suffer with the hot flashes. We’re not meant to suffer with the negative self-talk that comes around with it. The first thing that comes after the changes are, you know, the self-talk around, you know, I’m so fat, why did I do that? Why do I look this way? Why is this so hard? And with bees, you know, we call it thought power, right? The power of your thought, that’s communicating to your body creepy environment, create the vessel that can thrive first. And that first has to begin, but the power of your thoughts, how can you fuel your mind every single day to step in alignment with healing, and then you can use food as nourishment and when it comes to the foundation of what your body needs, I think it’s quite simple. You know, look at what the earth gives us. The closer that you can eat from farm to table, the more nutrient dense, more vibration, the more vitality life force that food is going to give you. So focus, focus on the foods that are going to give you life in an area that might be feeling like you are depleted or drained. And then there’s this fat topic, right? It’s not about going keto. You don’t have to go keto. You don’t have to go on a diet, but look for good quality fats. Are you getting the avocado and the good quality oils that make you feel good that aren’t processed go for fewer ingredient labels, go into your cupboards. If there are any ingredients that exist in your house, that you do not understand if there’s packaged processed food and the way that I really use this as an analogy, it’s dead food, right? So that’s plucked from the ground versus who they, you have to open up a box in a package, friends living versus dead, fuel yourself with living foods. And you know, there’s an Institute called the Hippocrates Institute. That’s really all designed around healing and they use the life force of green foods, right? So this idea of using green juices, that’s one of these trends that I can really agree with, you know, nourish yourself with green juices every day. If you find that it’s really hard to eat them, but what this will do is help you honor the ecosystem that lives within you. So if we were to talk, I would really spend quite a bit of time talking about gut health.

Shaman Durek: Yeah. That’s what I was heading to actually, that’s great that you’re talking about it. Yes.

Mona Sharma: So our guts, you know, 80% of our serotonin, our immune system lives in our gut microbiome. And when we’re looking at our ancestors, the quality, the function of our gut microbiome today, isn’t what it used to be. And this is why I believe women are symptoms, PMs and menopause today are so exasperated compared to, you know, our mothers and great-grandmothers and so on. So we have to optimize this ecosystem within us, trillions of different types of cells. So I know that you’re hearing tons of trends around probiotics in the media, the probiotic drinks and the foods and the, this, and then that probiotics are great, but understand that there are trillions of types of strains that we can use, right? So use a probiotic on variety. But if you want to optimize your gut microbiome, there’s two things that you have to do. One mind your mind, this gut brain access is so important. Your body cannot digest or metabolize the nutrients from the food that you’re eating when you’re in a state of fight or flight stress, right? Do we have stress? Most of us do so mind your mind managers stress first and then optimize right. Re-inoculate the guide with what it loves. And this is probiotic foods, things like jicama, garlic, ginger, artichoke, really fibrous foods. And the analogy that I use with eating the rainbow, when we look around, you know, these fibers, these different types of fibers that come from whole foods and vegetables, that’s the prebiotic that becomes the food for the probiotics, the good bacteria in the gut. So instead of focusing on the probiotic, supplements always use food first, optimize the pre-biotics to ignite the food, to really optimize the gut microbiome.

Shaman Durek: Yeah. I love how you went into that and you segwayed into the gut health because that’s actually how I really was wanting to, to bring some questions about the gut health. And since you brought that up, I want to go right into that. So when it comes to the gut health, what are some of the things that people should avoid that actually ruins their microbiome and actually makes it in balance?

Mona Sharma: So I really think that if I were to look at my situation, if the heart specialist that I had seen had told me to go back and deal with my gut first, things would have looked very different for me. I had grown up in a house where we were just walking on eggshells. There’s a lot of tension and stress. My parents were, you know, great people, but there’s just a lot of tension. And I remember going to school as a little girl with stomach aches, and I just couldn’t explain it. This was anxiety. Anxiety became my baseline learned behavior as an adult. And I think especially today with this pandemic, when we’re living in a state of unknown, it’s, it’s fueled. So manage your stress and your anxiety because science is now proving that it’s no longer, you know, that whew, it’s actually a fact that the state of our brain and our gut, they work in synergy together.

So even on the healthiest diet, if you’re living in anxiety and stress every single day, you are not metabolizing the nutrients that you need from that high-quality diet. That’s so essential. The other thing that we have to look at for gut microbiome health is obviously hydration. Are you having a bowel movement every single day? When I worked with Willis Smith, the biggest question that we got back was, oh my God, I’m not supposed to have a, I’m supposed to have a bowel movement every day. Oh, I have one every few days. It’s like, oh no, this is more of a nation system. Right? So toxins within our body have to be moved out every day. And I think that for a lot of people, the reason why they think that this is normal is that it’s become normal in our society. All of those symptoms that I listed off earlier, just because they’re common does not mean that they are normal. So are you evacuating all of those toxins, every single day, we need this with hydration, good quality fiber from foods within our diet, good quality fats to help keep things moving every single day. Those are really, really essential. So managing your stress again, and then looking for the power of food and elimination to keep things moving,

Shaman Durek: You know, and in the process of keeping things moving, what types of things should people be, be digesting when it comes to fluids and liquids? I mean, because a lot of people are saying celery juice and other people are saying green juice. Other people are saying turmeric, like what, what would you recommend Mona Sharma? And in that idea of digesting liquid.

Mona Sharma: So I think that variety is key. Make variety, your best friend. If you enjoy celery juice, you do it. If there’s something about your constitution that saying, you know what, I need to listen to this and do the celery juice cleanse and go for it and notice how you feel if it’s not nourishing you and you get to a point where you just overdo it. Cause I think a lot of people they’ll start. One thing, overdo it, the OD on turmeric, and then they go onto the next, right? What if instead you can keep a roster.

So what I do with my clients is I help them build their tool belt, their tool belt of things that make them feel good about themselves. So out on their counters, they’ll have, you know, the civil tray on that tray with the teas that you love, that make you feel nourished to put your favorite honey, there keep your favorite green vegetables in the fridge that you can juice every morning. If that feels good for you. One of my favorite elixirs every single day, I think that everybody should take in a little bit more Himalayan, sea salt. So make yourself an at home an electrolyte drink, make sure that you’re hydrated at a cellular level. So a little bit of Himalayan, sea salt, half a lemon, maybe a touch of maple syrup every day, and a really big liter of water teas, herbal teas that come from the earth, maybe have some herbs in your garden, the fresher that you can get at the more beneficial that they will be.

And I think that people will be surprised at the impact of tuning into these kind of, you know, nature’s cures, right? Nature chiro falls over time. Instead of looking for the quick, fast fix, right? What’s the tea to do? What’s the Clintons to do use these kinds of, you know, right now I’m looking at two big pieces of cinnamon bark and my, my mug, cause I, I love cinnamon bark and my tea, which is great for metabolizing blood sugar, right? Instead of trying one thing every day, keep a roster, but keep it, make it look beautiful. You know, there’s nothing more beautiful than looking down at a beautiful, bright color, colorful plate of food. Nobody could turn down, you know, a great platter of colorful vegetables because it looks great. So Creek that in your house make an area, it might be your smoothie corner or your juicing corner or your tea quirk call it where you have to put those things out so that it’s easy for you to create it instead of behind a cupboard where you have to think about it. So you just call that your health love shrine. That could be,

Shaman Durek: Yeah. I love that. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. And when it comes to, you know, people when they’re operating and how they, you know, when, cause a lot of times people will say, you know, well, I’m vegan. I mean, I know myself, I’m a cheeky and I’m a cheating vegan. And sometimes I, you know, I hear I dab there and I’m just real about it. Cause I always say what true wellness is realness to me. So I gotta be real about it. Sometimes. I don’t feel like doing yoga. I’m not going to do here because everyone’s doing yoga. But there are people who like are very extreme and they’re like, I’m vegan. I eat me. I do this. Do you think consuming me? Cause I just had this conversation with my niece the other day with her boyfriend from Italy and about consuming meat. And he consumes it pretty much every day. Do you think that’s a good thing? And what are your thoughts on it?

Mona Sharma: Oh, so this has been front and center for me growing up because my dad wanted to stay vegetarian, but he would go out to the know corporate meetings and they would always be serving meat. So growing up, my mom would typically make, you know, her own dish and a dish with me as I got older, as I said, I realized that my constitution is best on a vegetarian diet. Now, if I were to go to a medical Western practitioner and they were to go through my biology, they would see that, oh, you know what she has she’s prone to becoming deficient in she’s anemic. She’s low in red blood cells, low in iron. So she should really be eating a steak every day. Right. And then of course we’ve got this, you know, the paleo trends and stuff like that.

I’m like, you, you know what, I feel best on a vegetarian diet. But sometimes if I’m craving a steak, I will go out and I will have a really high quality state. I would like, we give it a bit of a blessing. And the following day I’ll probably take a lot of fiber to help move it through my body to make sure that nothing’s getting stuck where it shouldn’t be. But I think that, and I think, you know, here’s one of the areas that may be confusing to people because it’s so easy to say, like try going vegan, try going vegetarian, try this first. Try going on an anti-inflammatory diet. What is that? Removing all the inflammatory foods, wheat, corn, soy, gluten, dairy sugar, remove those things for 2130 days because you have false cravings. It’s kind of like false negatives.

You actually don’t create chips and chocolate and fries or maybe the salt on the fries. When there’s an imbalance of good and bad bacteria in the gut, you will naturally crave junk food all the time. When you optimize the good bacteria in the gut. Guess why you crave foods that are great for you. And then you can turn on that intuition that I was talking about. If your body’s creating, you know what watermelon today, where maybe you are dehydrated, it’s about turning on that intuition. But I think that it depends on your constitution. Look at your ethnic heritage. Where did your ancestors come from? What were they eating? Have you tried eating like them? Did that make you feel nourished? Did it make you feel good? And then from an energetic standpoint, you know, since I’ve had children, the idea of eating meat doesn’t really appeal to me. You know, I think about the animals and stuff like that, but I would never put someone down who did eat me. Some of my clients thrive on a higher animal protein diets. So it really depends on your constitution.

Shaman Durek: I love that. And that’s true. I mean, I, I, for me, I realized that eating meat doesn’t support me because I can feel the suffering of the animal in my body. And I’m super sensitive. I’m like a little baby, you know, I’m like just like a, feel like a little boy who can feel every, that can feel the trees and the flowers I could feel. So every time I, even, when I eat vegetables, I can feel the nature. So when I eat, if I eat meat, I can feel the suffering of the animal and I can feel it’s consciousness reaching out. So it’s so I just decided just to stop a long time ago, I think it was in my early, early twenties. I just made a decision that I just can’t do it anymore. You know? And what do you, and I just want to ask you in just regards to, when it comes to like good, a good healthy, you know, pigmentary system for skin, you know, what kind of foods do you recommend for people who have really bad acne or are dealing with a lot of skin issues?

Mona Sharma: Yeah. So if I see people dealing with skin issues, the first thing that I’ll address is the health of your liver and the health of your gut microbiome. Now what can we do to support our liver every single morning, wake up and do something simple, have a really big glass of water with half of the juice lemon in it. It will support your kidneys, your liver function. It will really stimulate a bowel movement to get things going and then address your digestion. Now, what are you eating that could be causing the state of imbalance? A lot of my clients who consume dairy, immediate breakouts for their skin, a lot of my clients who had dysbiosis or the beginnings of irritable bowel syndrome or leaky gut syndrome, it would manifest in their skin. And this tells me that we really have to look inside, you know, treat any imbalances that you see on your skin as indication to what’s happening inside of our organs.

So, you know, lemon juice, first thing in the morning, lots of clear teas throughout the day, make sure that you’re hydrated getting at least two plus liters of water a day, lots of green. I promise you if you were to do sort of a green juice protocol, you will notice the vibrancy and your skin comes back. When we think about food as having energy, the more energetic the food will show up in the vibrancy of your skin. So focus on those foods first, and it might seem challenging. You’re somebody who really needs to change your diet. And you know, you’re used to eating a lot of processed foods, but at the end of the day, if you don’t buy it, you can’t eat it. It will not be in your home. So load your fridge up with these high vibration foods so that you get used to seeing those. And if it takes, you know, looking up one new recipe every single week, do that to really acclimate your taste buds, to taste these things, because I can promise you after my eating out drinking days, eating high processed foods and blah, blah, all of that stuff.

And I went to live at the Astrodome. I will never forget going back home. And I would eat a spinach salad. I could actually taste the sweetness that came from a piece of spinach. It sounds insane, but I promise you, when you re acclimate your taste buds, it will manifest in your body will feel it. Thank you, Mona. You. Oh my gosh. And I will say, please, please, please clean up your personal care products. What you consume. You know, you’re hearing me talk about food. It’s not just what you’re eating, it’s what you’re listening to. It’s what you’re consuming. It’s what you’re watching. It’s what you’re reading. And it’s also what you’re putting onto your skin, dry your skin. It’s your vessel, it’s your home. It’s your largest detoxifying organs, or read the ingredient labels of everything that you’re putting onto your skin and choose wisely, go back to nature. And I hear, you know, as we age or can use a little bit of science, it’s essential. I’m there with you, but just be mindful, build a mindfulness practice around your skin care as well.

Shaman Durek: Yes, yes, yes. You know, I used to have really, really bad acne growing up as a kid. And then, you know, I went to go see a dermatologist and they were prescribing all these really chemical based things. And I remember like putting it on, getting ready to put it out on my face. And my ancestor, my grandmother spoke from the other side and she was like, boy, don’t put that on your face, change the way you eat. And it literally, I started eating more vegetables and cutting out sugars and doing all these things. I’ve never had a blemish on my face and my friends are like, you never break out as, because I’m really super about my liver and my face and like my gut and how and what I’m doing. And so I really appreciate you. I honor you. I see you. And I’m so grateful for you being on this planet and sharing so much wisdom and love on ancient wisdom today. How can people have an appointment with you, learn from you? Do you have, like, what are your, what are the things that you have out there that people should be getting into this to get more in, in the, on the Mona Sharma?

Mona Sharma: Yes. Well, you know, connection is everything to me. So Instagram is my platform of choice. You can find me at Mona Sharma. Thank you. I will see you there. Follow me there. Comment, you know, reach out to me. I love, I love the connection. If you go to my website, Mona, I, you can access my programs there. I also have the 30 day program. It’s really about this idea of I’m and really gaining education so that you become the advisor for your body. Take control of your mind to the body first so that you can move forward. And just knowing what to do from that standpoint, it’s really about empowering you first. And then the last place you can find me is picking my life. So, you know, you’ve heard me talk so much about prebiotics.

I love prebiotics so much. I founded a company based on the healing powers of a root vegetable. And so HCA my It’s C a M as in Mary, a You can check out some of my drinks there, but it’s really designed to be beneficial for that. Wonderful. I see also that you, you, you are on the TV show, the doctors, which is great. Yeah. What an incredible experience. I was able to share a bit of data and history. One of my favorite healing dishes. How did you like Travis? Oh, he was such a treat. He was beautiful. Yeah. He’s amazing. I go, I’m on the, I’m a regular on the doctors and I just saw that and I was like, oh, it’s a, you know, the, you know, the FAMs, you were such a gift to this world. So keep shining the boys through. Thank you. No, thank you. I really appreciate it. Thank you for saying that to me. I really appreciate that. 

Shaman Durek: I’ll take that in and receive it. I nourish it into all my cells. I I’m really just grateful for you and try, please, please, please go follow Mona Sharma. You know, really take everything that she’s saying because she speaks from truth, love and devotion, as you know, and yeah, I look forward to even doing an Instagram live with you so we can talk about some, some quick and easy tips and, and share that with the tribe. I love you. I appreciate you. I see you. I honor you and I just, you know, I just hold space for your greatness. Thank you, Mona. I love you too, sweetheart. I can’t even wait to see you in person one day to, instead of virtually hug you in person. Yay. I’m super excited. I love that my hug longer than 10 seconds, just to let you know, look at that meant to be perfect. Thank you honey, for being with us.

What a great talk with Mona Sharma. It’s wonderful to talk to someone so connected and deep and grounded and who she is and why she is, and you know, and just the understanding of what it means to be a person who’s here to be a health educator and nutritionist, but not just a nutritionist, but someone who’s here to really advocate change in the way which we look at nutrition from a place of not just what we put in our body, but also how we nourish ourselves. You know, it’s like a lot of think it’s about food. And I love that when she said that because it’s true. A lot of people think it is about food. So they think if they, you know, they go work out at a gym and get the perfect bodies and eat the perfect food that everything is going to be in balanced, but they don’t realize there’s also an emotional content.

There’s a mental content and there’s a spiritual content. And if you just let go of those things, but you don’t focus on that truth of the, there’s a whole understanding of wholeness and wellness. And it’s not just based in you lifting weights or running or doing Pilates and it being a vegan or paleo diet or eating, you know, keto diet and just eating food and thinking that food and exercise is enough. It’s not. And it’s true because what happens is what Mona Sharma was talking about was imbalance is about accumulation and what are we accumulating? Right? So we, we accumulate a lot of plaque in our body, right, which affects a lot of the blood and causes a lot of high blood pressure and also can lead to strokes and all types of heart attacks and you name it. We also accumulate stuff in our intestinal areas, which creates a lot of mucus, this buildup, which retains a lot of those food that you’ve eaten from of you being able to get the proper digestion as well.

Well, as accumulation of a lot of other things that we accumulate in our systems, such as inflammation and, you know, free radicals, you know, things that are creating a lot of toxins. Yeah. And then just a list of things, right? We’re just accumulating a lot of things. And when we do that over a period of time, our body breaks down, down, and that’s when we go into losing our health and our vigorous and our vitality and our strength and, and so many other levels in includes, you know, reasons why we have Alzheimer’s and why we have all of these, you know, mental things that are happening in society. Today’s culture that are, you know, where the mind is not being able to have the proper meds well health, right? Because if you start getting into understanding that the whole entire body is this beautiful living organism is beautiful instrument.

And what, you know, what Mona Sharma was saying is that the body communicates through whispers, which if we ignore those whispers and we don’t acknowledge them right. When they first show up and that’s can be like an, a Crick in your neck, or it could be like, you know, oh, I sensation in your knee or your stomach is feeling some discomfort or some blockage in your intestines or whatever it may be. These are the little whispers that our body makes, which is so beautiful because it whispers to us like, Hey, something’s not imbalanced here. There’s an over accumulation of something, something he’s not in harmony. And if we don’t acknowledge it, you know, like Mona was saying, it can turn into screams. And I very much believe that because I’ve had my own health and I’ve had, I’ve gone through my own experiences of what those whispers turn into when not loved and acknowledged and really heard.

Right. And when we get into that space of realizing that you can never heal your body, unless you love your body. So can’t heal a body you don’t love. And, and Mona’s right about that because your body is your it’s you, but it’s your home. Right. So, so Mona was saying that our home is our body. And so what happens is the world that we live in right, is wanting to distract us from taking the time to tune in to what it means to be at home. That means be within the body. Right. And what is it asking from us? Like, you know, what is it asking from us and are we answering to it? Are we answering to it from what it’s asking from us? So if we’re getting bloatation, if we’re getting gas, we’re getting inflammation. If we’re getting back pain or we’re getting, you know, health stuff and all types of mental things and emotional things and stress and anxiety and cancer and this and that and the other, what is the body asking for?

What is our home, our home, right? Our house, what is our house asking for? You know, it’s important for us to keep our home clean. It’s important for us to maintain our home and do maintenance on our home. And it’s also nice to refurbish and replenish and bring new things into the home so that this, that the home is strong. It’s a very strong foundation for us to be able to, to be within and to be able to nurture ourselves and to be able to create this great wellspring of, of, of really beautiful energies so that we can, as an individual and a collective begin to bring that really good home feeling that poem love into the lives of other people through the way in which we speak and the way we interact and the way that we connect. And so I think that when we get into that space, we have to ask that question, are we answering what our house is needing for us to feel true nourishment and through sanctuary and true foundation and a place to really replenish and research ourselves with new energy so that we can be the best that we can be.

So that energy then goes to other people and then they can be the best they can be. And before you know it, where this amazing like tidal wave of really good, good energy, that literally makes it so wonderful to be able to be a part of a community, our family, our tribe of people who are actualizing themselves in this embodiment, in this lifetime, and really bringing forth the message of love and wisdom and power in its most harmonious, loving states, to be able to support people, to see how amazing, what a genius they are and how they’re capable of so much like limitless capability, right? I mean, I’m talking limitless capability ability there for you to see that, Hey, why am I actually making something impossible? So what am I thinking? What am I feeling? What am I feeding and nourishing myself internally? And what am I feeding and nourishing myself externally into my internal.

That’s creating these things that are creating discomfort in my life. And it can be anything from relationships. It can be everything from how much money you’re making, what kind of, what kind of service you bring into the world and how it’s making you feel? What kind of home, what kind of clothes? Everything is about bringing that wellspring to you, even the clothes you wear, even the clothes you wear, even the way you dress, even the colors you associate with, even the music. You listen to the movies. As you watch the friends you have around you, the interaction with your family, all of these things are a major, major, major, major, major, major, like points of peer referencing of how we’re really doing. Because if you have dysfunctional, like, like people around you, people who are insulting and people who are aggressive and people around you who are just bringing so much toxic energy into your life, and you are responding to it by arguing and bickering and going through all types of different emotions and pulling yourself out of character, into these other types of characters that are not based in love, that are not based in compassion that are not based in understanding the greatness of every individual, because you are caught up in your pain body wanting to lash out and project, because you’re not able to come into that space of true respect for you and your autonomy and what your body needs your home needs.

What is your house need right now to be the sanctuary it needs to be. You know, I really love how Mona talked about Ashram living because I love Ashram living. And the reason why I like it is because it is what she said. It’s about healing. It’s about, you know, understanding your power, understanding food, understanding mindfulness, and understanding of movement. So the healing power, right, is what it’s about. So you have the healing, which you have the power to the power is in the awakening. It’s in the understanding through the devotion, through the ability to be in devotion and what it means. Like I couldn’t be Shaman Durek if I didn’t wake up every day devoted to one thing, which is to make people feel loved by showing them love. Not because I have to, because I don’t have to answer my Instagrams and I don’t have to, and I don’t have to post the blogs and I don’t have to do any of the things that I do.

I don’t really have to, I can go somewhere in the country and get a house with some horses and settle down and be happy and fine. You know, I can go to Norway and go live with my girlfriend and our in the house and just be live our lives and just do what we do. We don’t have to have all of these things in order to be happy. Right. I can find myself happiness and with the very little things that people would think they meet, they can’t have that. They would have to have more in order to be fully satisfied. I’m the type of person where I have less. And I’m okay because that’s because, because I have such a wellspring of love in my being. But however, I know that it’s not going to be comfortable for me to be in that space, knowing that there’s this outer experience of all of these brothers and sisters who also deserve to have happiness enjoy and all these things, I could have stayed and in heaven, but I chose to be here on earth and I chose to be here because I know that heaven is always going to be there.

But what, what I want to make sure is that my brother and sisters, which means all of you are well equipped with everything that you need in order to nourish and love and see, and have devotion for creation, which is you and your ability to dream the greatest dream and the greatest possibility for everyone as a solid foundation of love to bring about what it means to experience a new paradigm, right? A new understanding, a new frontier, a new creation from God. Oh yes. And it is so nice and feel so good to be able to see someone come into that level of power. So for me, devotion is being aware of the likeness of God in its all present state of omnipotence and omnipresent, and being able to see itself in that omnipresence, in that quantum field, where I’m able to see all the many different aspects of God and ones that I haven’t even met or seen yet, even with my physical eyes and my spiritual body and my emotional body, my mental body, but being able to bring all of that awareness into the moment of when I say to you, hello, how are you doing?

And not go into that space of hello? How are you doing? Just because I’m uncomfortable. And I just want to give you some type of word. So that way you don’t think that I’m rude, the dressing you, but really engaging you. Right. Because I choose to not because I have to, I don’t want to say that again because I choose to not because I have to, I choose the engagement with you because I love you because I’m a love being, because that’s what I know. And when people are operating contrary to who they really are, it is bit uncomfortable. Yes, I will admit. And it’s disappointing. Yes. However, that is where they are in their evolution. In order for me to be in my best, it’s ordered for me to find balance in the world and know that not every single person is going to get woke.

However, it’s not about getting every single person on the planet woke. It’s about being able to find those who want to express their woke-ness into the world and use that as an anchoring for those, when they’re ready to come through their evolution, it will be already there waiting for them. Right. So it’s kind of like you kind of, you come to town and everything’s already set up for you or you come into a understanding something, and it’s all there waiting for you. Everything that you wanted to understand to get more in your life, to feel fulfilled and to feel at harmony is already there waiting for you. And so that’s what I believe in, I believe in this unconditional love and this awareness for creation, not for how you’re creative or how you look or the color of your skin, or if you’re male or female, if you’re, if you’re an intimate or into women, or if you’re into all or whatever, it doesn’t matter to me.

I don’t really care. It’s none of my business. And at the end of the day, what I care about the most is are you happy? Are you feeling fulfilled? Are you happy? Do you have pain in your body pain in your mind, pain in your emotions because you’re going against the grain and you’re not having true devotion with yourself. You know, and what I love that Mona said is that mindfulness to heal has to come from a place of enjoy and, you know, enjoying right. And having fun and enjoying. And so the idea for her was that in the beginning, she didn’t have that mindfulness yet. She understood. She was, you know, her family was in the ashram and her father and, you know, going through all these different experiences like with her mom, and then also realizing, Hey, I’m working in corporate, she’s working in corporate world, building anxiety, thyroid problems, completely out of whack in her body and then heart surgery and her heart, you know, is pounding and asking her to be, to, to listen.

Right? So just listen, you know, and what she’s thinking is, okay, what pill can I take to make this pain go away? What pill can I take to make this discomfort go away? And we’ve all been there. We’ve all been there looking for the quick fix. The quick fix is saying what the quick fix is like, I want, I want the quick fix. I want it to be done with this. I don’t want to suffer anymore. I don’t want to go through money issues anymore. I don’t want to have bad relationships with more. I want to meet that one special guy or that one special woman and be done with it. Our baby, I want to meet both of them. It doesn’t matter. Like I said, the thing is the reason why we don’t get to that space is because we’re not willing to, to, to, to, you know, to go in front of ourselves and recognize that the reason why these things are happening is because we’re not answering to the call.

We’re not listening to the whisper. We’re not connecting to spirit, to the mental, to the emotional that is saying, Hey, this is what I need in order to be balanced, give it to me. So I can be balanced. I’m doing everything I can to sustain life for you. So you can carry out what you came here to do. Give me sustenance, give me nourishment. Right. And that’s important. And so, you know, Mona going down that journey of that corporate anxiety and all the fire rate issues and all that stuff, no, sometimes we have to go down these journeys because sometimes people are like, well, I made different choices, you know? And I was more like you Shaman Durek. I woulda got all of this and I would’ve made different choices, but who’s to say that you were supposed to make different choices. Who’s to say that you made the choice that was necessary for the evolution of the planet.

And in those around you, who’s to say that those choices, those ideas, those things, those, those things that come to you, these ideas that you feel that the one, the reason why the one that didn’t come, the one that you wanted to be there, but didn’t show up or didn’t make the day, or didn’t make it did not show up because you weren’t ready to show it up. You’re not supposed to show it up because you were supposed to go down that path, down that road. So you can go through those experiences like Mona Sharma had to go through those paths of corporate world and thyroid and heart surgery and all that different things. So she can understand the worst case it would happen. If you were to deny those whispers, that would turn into screens names or what it truly, it means for someone when they’re not nourishing themselves, both mine, emotion, body, and spirit, right?

What is that? What does that look like? How’s it translating? What makes sense of it and how do we get around the obstacles, the mental traps, the emotional pools and the distractions that limit us from having that beautiful, profound relationship with ourselves, which by the way, having a relationship with yourself, and I’m constantly engaging my relationship with myself and learning new and more profound ways in which to engage it. But once you start the process and you really start to fall in love with yourself, you begin to recognize all of these amazing capabilities in these amazing ways that you get to be and show up in the world, not just for yourself, but for everyone around you. And you also stop thinking in the very like iron mentality and you start getting into the we right. Conversation. I mean, really, how could you not want to level that up?

So instead of beating up on yourself, being like, why wish I would have learned these things earlier I should have, or maybe I’m not this, or maybe I’m not that, how about just washing that off the table, wherever it is is wash it wherever you are, just wash it and just go into a space of recognizing that everything you’ve gone through, every pain, every challenge, every hurt, every anguish, every night collation you’ve been through. You’re like the Phoenix, you rise and you rise and you rise again to meet the information. And the spontaneity is necessary for you to reclaim your power in the most dynamic way. That gives you the ability to see why that pack you had to go down with, to begin with was necessary, right? Why did you have to go down that path? It was necessary. It was a necessary path to go down, to get you to become who you are, just like, it was a necessary path for Mona Sharma to go down for her to recognize it doesn’t matter if she’s working with celebrities or politicians or whoever it is you’re working with.

It doesn’t matter because service does not a label on it. It’s about the relationship, the ethics of self. That means that what you’ve taken from the self as an opportunity, a guide, a pinpoint of reality of the reality that you’re creating, by the way, in which you’re thinking and bringing these things ideas to the forefront of conversations and the way in which you speak and so forth and so on. So when she saw her heart in that surgery, because they keep you awake, you know, she started to cry. She cried because she was scared and sad. She wasn’t living happy and free and nourished and balanced. So her imbalance, since she was sad, you know, created more and more difficult instead of allowing it to come through and saying, Hey, you know what, I’m going to confront this sadness and realize that at the, at the other side of this, that I’m about to venture into there’s this magnificent, powerful light, oh, wait a minute.

It’s not the end of the tunnel. It’s me coming out of the tunnel. I’ve been the light inside the tunnel the whole entire time go figure, right? So again, you want to keep it in that very beautiful, understanding, more compassionate, more understanding, deep wisdoms and all those things in between, because that is where the energy is most powerful, right? She wasn’t living this happy nourished life until the imbalance came until she was able to go in and be able to shut down the noise and be able to recognize that her experience at the Ostrom was about living fierce with compassion and kindness. And that was being ingrained into her just through her life experience and the way that she was perceiving information and why she’s able to bring it to the world today and such a huge global community and also a community that really does that needs it to be a part of their design.

And so when you peel back those layers of imbalance, you begin to recognize that there is this great, beautiful energy that is waiting and resting and able to connect with you when you are truly ready to harness own and appreciate that feeling of that connectedness, that energy, that energy, oh my goodness. Oh my goodness. It’s powerful to be able to welcome that into your life, instead of beating up on yourself, welcome those traces that you made instead of hammering yourself, welcome those choices instead of crucifying yourself and making yourself seem like you’re this horrible, bad person so that you can go out and people please more to, to kind of make up for the quota of the bad person you think you are. When in fact, it’s no more truth in that, other than the understanding and the understanding of the proclamation that comes in in witnessing and recognizing how powerful you are when you come into that state and you begin to realize, I am not happy.

I’m not okay. I don’t like this job. This relationship isn’t amplifying love there’s pain in my body. I don’t feel comfortable. The food I eat makes me heavy. It makes me sick. I don’t feel happy and comfortable with the situations when I’m with my friends, having conversations, I don’t feel loved, supported, and acknowledged by myself in that process. So yes, I am making a proclamation that is declaring the imbalance being real. And now I get to dream connect and open up a new understanding of what balance looks like as according to our modern time. And then facilitate that as truth into my, every cell of my being. This is how we get to a deeper place when it comes into just not like what Mona was saying, nutrition, but taking the attrition to another level, taking the attrition, not just by the food you eat, but by the words you hear to your day to yourself and the things you take in and the feelings you feel all need to be at a law, they tether so that you are getting the highest amount of nourishment in your being ness.

So that way you then bring about the understanding of when your body whispers to you. It’s saying, Hey, come things unbalanced. And I know you love me. So you care to find the fine what’s imbalanced by asking, connecting, and listening, and then being able to make the change about an ordering to make the change. Right? The change is like the change already happens in the mind and the emotions before the body even gets whiff of the change, which is so amazingly cool. If you ask me like, I’m talking too cool for school, because the change takes place. When the mind already perceives it, just like you, you can’t make anything happen unless you happen from within you can’t move anything. Unless you move from within you can’t bend anything unless you and from within everything is a space onto a space. So as you create from, within you create from, without the energy above, as below is the energy signature of the frequencies that are operating in simultaneous energy fields that are operating.

So if I’m not choosing to see and love myself, then I’m going to believe that the world can’t see and love me. If I’m not able to see that I’m worthy and valuable. Then the world is not going to be able to see and value me the energy of the inward, because the energy of the outward, because there’s no duality, there, it is equally in the same energy frequencies are operating in a holographic form. So when we put food in our body, we have to understand it’s not the food that we eat because we’re like, oh, I want a hamburger. It’s not the hamburger we’re eating. We’re eating the essence of energy. The frequencies of energy is what’s going in our body. The nutrients level of those frequencies are combinations of different things that those things are happening within the hamburger or within the carrot or within the celery sick or you name it.

The energy frequency is what we’re digesting into our being. It is the, it is what we are taking in. So you can eat a hamburger and someone can feel a lot of energy. Another person can eat a hamburger and feel very heavy. It’s based on the chemistry, or is it based on the energetic chemistry that is taking place within the synthesis and the intellect of your being based on the energy of that hamburger. That’s why some people get really excited when certain things happen and others don’t it’s because there’s a signature of frequency that next a frequency that allows information to be shared with one another in a harmonious way, without there being any type of hammering or anyone being angry, but more from a place of, wow, I get to experience this and I don’t even have to be afraid of it because experiences to me are me passing through different energies.

And the ones that I feel really connected to are the ones I’m going to pull in regardless. Right. And so the key element there is like, what she went through is like going through that process of crying because she was scared and sad, but it wasn’t that she was scared and sad. It was more that she had uncertainty of the energy or the pictures that would follow. And that created the fear. And that’s what we call the unknown. Right? So when we realized that we realized that that for us, we have to come into a space of recognizing, you know, what that means for us individually. What does it mean? What does it mean to truly nourish yourself, nurture yourself and nourish yourself? Not from a place of I’m going to do this because it’s going to irritate you because I want you to be upset and no, no, no, no.

That’s not nourishing at all. That’s just drinking bottles of poison. Whew. I’m talking about brew nourishment. I’m talking physical, emotional, mental, spiritual nourishment that you are filling your vessel up with all that is good. Woo. Woo. Can I get an amen or an a woman? Should we say the thing is, is that the nurturing aspects come in, when we begin to recognize that it’s not just the food, it’s the environment, it’s the energy, it’s the it’s, it’s the colors. It’s the, everything that is either making our, breaking us based upon the frequency codes that we’re taking in and nourishing ourselves with. That’s why it’s very mindful to not engage in those very distant, scary, like, you know, energies that we see so much projected into Hollywood and movies and so forth because the mind doesn’t know the difference. The mind only knows the difference based on what it feels and doesn’t matter.

So you’re going to experience fear, and you’re going to feel, you know, your body, you know, being filled up and released and all these different things happening chemically to you, because you’re an able to see the bigger picture. The what is the bigger picture you’re asking me like Shaman Durek, what is the bigger picture? The bigger picture is no matter what you say and do in this world, it does not matter until you understand what you are saying in your inner world, your house, your house has to be in order to get your house in order, get your, your queen, your kingdom in order so that you are ready, equipped, and able, and you recognize true devotion, right? The true devotion is how do you bring that true devotion into your life? How do you accept that true devotion into your life? Or does it come with a bunch of strings and attachments?

So the way I always say it is see yourself, right? So to see yourself, to see yourself, to see it, to just see it, you have to be willing to see everyone. If you can’t accept certain things in society and reality, because you’re not nourishing your mind and your emotions in the right way, then you’re only going to be able to perceive and understand the perception, which is that this person is not going to be able to fulfill those things that you would want fulfilled. Right? So it’s about realizing like, oh, wait a second. Am I really engaging in this from a soul level? I might just engaging in it from a, from a, you know, a peek-a-boo level, right? Peekaboo. I’m just going to peekaboo around the corner and see what everyone’s up to, but I’m not really going to engage and I’m not going to build devotion.

And it’s really about seeing yourself in order for you to see everyone. If you can only see parts yourself, that’s all you’re going to see in society. So the greater, the greater all is the greater year, right? So loving the greater all is loving the greater you. And we must rise and lift and shift and raise our vibrations of joy and happiness so that the people who are in that state of that purgatory, that type of very dense frequency energy is being loved and acknowledged and seen to come home in the light in that moment, because we’re not operating out of our pain bodies that wants to project onto everything around us, with judgments and opinions. No one wants that, right? We are going into a new understanding where we can start to accept instead of what they try to teach us. What they taught us to see was the state of norm that we don’t really need to be seen because the true state of norm is the ones who are operating from this place of true liberation and not caring about what someone may say, because they do it this way, or they do it that way and just allow it to be right.

So we are taught to see that this is a state of normal. That’s not normal, that’s invasive, that’s abusive. That’s not a right. And all those things become that because you’re not giving the child or the person, the space to be able to discover who they are. So what we, what we’re operating here is to nourish the self. Yes, of course, eat the food, nourish yourself and make sure it’s good. Make sure it’s warm. Make sure it’s good. And honey, to your taste buds, to your soul, to your being right. But then also we also have to be mindful of recognizing the spiritual components of us bringing that into our life. So you need to be nourished in the spiritual before food can nourish you again. I’m going to say that again. You need to be nourished. You need to be nourished. Remember that you need to be nourished in the spiritual before food can nourish you. So it doesn’t matter what food you have. If you’re not nourishing yourself spiritually, mentally, and emotionally, you’re never going to really taste the true essence of that frequency, which is food that is being governed for your house. You understand? So this is the power that we have. And that’s why I love this conversation with bono Sharma. She is so bright, so powerful, so intelligent and such a goddess. And I’m happy to have had her on ancient wisdom today. Podcast

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